SA
I’m really so grateful to be sharing this space with you today. How are you feeling? Can you describe your mind/body/spirit today?
J
I’m feeling great 🙂 the weather is opening back up. & I’ve been in a really creative headspace which is good.
I’m glad you hit me up about this because I’ve been wanting to discuss these types of topics.
But things are really aligning & I’m just grateful 🙂
SA
Same, I’m happy we synced up in this way & I’m looking forward to digging into some of the ideas I’ve been thinking around sound as a tool for spirit.
When I re-heard a few months ago after returning back to Sydney, it instantly transported me back to spring mornings in BedStuy. I had such a visceral reaction to hearing that track, it reminded me of walking down Marcy Ave and meeting loved ones for a coffee in the park. I think it was a moment of intense emotional and spiritual connection, kind of like, I was calling my spirit back to my body from where I left her in BedStuy. What do you think about audio and sound as a way to connect to spirit?
J
I love hearing people’s experiences with music that I made, because it lets me know that what I put into it is working. I think from a recording standpoint, music becomes visceral when you realize that you’re capturing the essence of a moment in time. I have had times with music that I haven’t even released yet, when I listen to it I remember where I was coming from & what I felt. I think the fulfillment you get from creating is like no other & it really transmutes when others feel something similar from it.
SA
Do you have a particular spiritual process around music making you can talk me through? Do you incorporate rituals or practices into how you make music? Is it always intentional in that way?
J
Well for one, I have a lot of plants in my studio. So whenever I come in there, I immediately feel their energy lol. They’re big so it kind of feels like their studio as well. I like to light incense & burn sage but I think just the plants being here is such a vibe & makes it so much easier to create. It kind of separates me from the rest of the world.
SA
Do you think the end product of what you make would be different if you didn’t have that connection to nature via your plants?
J
Yeah definitely, plants are a reminder to us that we should take our time. And be patient, and that is also very imperative in music. If I wasn’t as connected to them I think I would feel some of the same stress I feel outside of the studio while I’m making music. But because my space is kind of consecrated, it makes it easier to discern between profane time & sacred time.
SA
I love to think about the way the nature we are surrounded by, their energies get transmuted into our creative practices. I believe plants, flora, fauna have and hold spirits that have been here before us and it’s really, as you say, such a sacred way to create.
J
Even the way the sun shines affects our mood. If it’s overcast one day, you’re gonna feel it. We’re definitely connected in that way, that we both need sunlight & water to sustain us.
SA
Right, we live in this divinely interconnected ecosystem where all flourishing is mutual in that way. Recently I’ve been thinking about how ancestrally, song and chant were a form of prayer, since the beginning of time. I’ve found that when I am listening more closely to God and my own spirit, the music I listen to is reflective of this. Less lyrical, more rhythmic and vibrational sounds. What do you think about audio as a transmission and communication from both God and ancestors?
J
Rhythm & melody animate the spirit, to grieve or to praise. Certain tones evoke certain emotions. To express our emotions and be aware of them is such a big part of our livelihood. When we deny our emotions we deny a certain part of ourselves, and in turn our spirit.
Lately I’ve been watching footage of early jazz musicians on youtube, & everytime I watch it feels like a transmission from the past. You can feel the energy & intent in what they were doing.
SA
Yes!! Just recalling our brief convo yesterday on cosmic jazz, and here I’m specifically thinking about Alice Coltrane, and how the sounds she was creating in records like Ptah The El Daoud were like this ancestral fusion – for me, that’s not only a glimpse of the past but also a blueprint of how we can all build together, intentionally in the future. Have you found that your spiritual evolution has gone hand in hand with your commitment to your practice as a musician?
J
Definitely!! I think this past year alone, not being on the road. Being at home in solitude, I can finally practice the piano. I haven’t played drums this often since 08. Really the drums have been my saving grace all my life. So it makes sense that I’d have all this downtime to get back in tune with that part of me. It goes back to the thing about making time sacred, it’s very hard to do when you’re always on the go. I haven’t been able to sit & make an album without going on the road to DJ since 2013. Which is crazy to me, because like how lol. You can’t start a book then keep leaving and expect the narrative to not change you know.
And spiritually, just being away from the nightlife has been so gratifying. I know there’s nothing there for me. I’m content where I’m at.
SA
That’s a very profound realization to come to as a musician. I feel the lesson of the past year has been slowness, and nurturing the isolation despite all the catastrophe that has unfolded, but nurturing the ways that we’ve been able to see ourselves and others like never before. What has music shown you about yourself?
J
Just listening to songs I haven’t heard since high school, now with a more keen ear. It’s like revisiting times in my life when I may not have been happy & telling myself it will be okay. And again, just how important human emotion is. We can’t show each other the love we used to be able to, so we have to find ways to love ourselves & new ways to love each other.
SA
Do you think synchronicity through sound can shape the way we interact with each other on a communal level? Can a spiritual connection through sound be a gateway to collective liberation? It’s obvious that religious structures use music as a way to bring people together, but pushing past that framework, do you think that can sound usher a collective awakening?
J
I think so. It comes down to the narrative behind your music. The purpose behind the music is what people gravitate towards. So basically it’s up to the musician to take people there. You have to be there already or on the path at least.
SA
Right, and that’s the responsibility that comes with tapping into and uncovering your purpose as an artist. I kind of want to go back to what you said earlier about nightlife not being as gratifying anymore. Can you speak more to that? I’ve personally found that my earliest connection with community has been on dancefloors – but, recently I was doing an interview where I was speaking about how I felt safest in my body when I am on dancefloors. Tada Hozumi, who I was interviewing, asked me to question that safety because, in reality, I also had to rely on substances to get to that level of safety. Are dancefloors still a gratifying space for you + what makes you steer away from nightlife?
J
I think from a DJ’s standpoint, dancefloors can be liberating, but all in all the culture of nightlighte promotes disorder. You know, drunk, sloppy lol. These are the things I think of when I think of clubs because that has been my experience, especially in Europe. I just don’t feel at home in clubs because it’s not my space. I’m triggered just thinking about it lol.
SA
I hear you & it’s truly horrible how in electronic spaces especially, the way non Black folks have both profited off Black culture & take up unrequited space.
I’m glad that you’ve been able to cultivate a more safe and nourishing environment for yourself where it sounds like, your practice has been able to evolve further through these realizations. What have been some ways you’ve been able to ground during this time?
J
Yeah, it just feels weird playing Black music in Europe. And I was thinking about what you said about relying on substances to feel safe, it took me a second to process what you meant by that. But that’s another reason I don’t like nightlife. I have been reading a lot, listening to weekly youtube videos on astrology. I have been drinking chai with lion mane & ashwagandha every morning. That’s definitely been keeping my spirits up.
SA
I feel like as we’re entering the Age of Aquarius, more people (hopefully) are coming to understand the importance of not dissociating through substances + creating more healing, sober spaces to grow in. It sounds like you’ve found some really transformative modes to heal and I’m looking forward to seeing/hearing all that comes out of this abundant time for you! Do you have anything you want to add as we come to an end?
J
Thank you again for sharing this space with me, my next album will be out within the next two months!!
is an electronic musician, producer, and selector from Detroit, Michigan, United States